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    Engine swapping for an Electric

    Hey guys,

    I love how this forum readers seem to have the most creative ways around solving problems... here's a thought i've been having.

    I originally wanted to invest in a Lambo 6.0 kit, but since im so rediculously finiky about the quality of the products available, and the 'close but not quite' interior, i've sorta given up my endevours and have recently been looking at picking up a porsche carrerra or 996 to satisfy my self actualization and transportation needs. I still LOVE the work that some people on this forum do, and im completely impressed with the two very attractive looking Murci's under development.

    My thoughts though are on other things... i've looked into the Tesla roadster... WOW... i mean wow, not just because its quite the performance car, and looks great, but because it runs on battery power... i LOVE that. Im huge on the climate change front, and as an Architect, i do alot of sustainable design work, and am focussing my career on it.

    SO, am i mad to think its possible to buy a porsche with the intentions of removing and replacing the engine and guts with that of a Tesla-like configuration? i know i've seen the website of the guy who already does them... i dont know... not enough hard core details to convince me, where as Tesla is looking more and more like a production company.

    Im not mechanically inclined but i would absalutely LOVE to tackle a project like this, especially if it means i can say goodbye to fosil fuels all together!

    Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions, i'd love to hear them!


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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    A lot about this topic here.. There is a Electric Diablo a guy converted, so you may not be to crazy.. http://www.kitcar.ws/general-kit-car...t-ev-2078.html

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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    Thanks Mr. Ferrari,

    Actually its funny that you bring that thread up... im actually thinking that it would be an interesting project to gut a diablo 6.0 and replace with an electric motor. I cant seem to find any info on the diablo project you had mentioned, is there a specific link i can look at? I mean, i love the sound of a roaring bull, but i think the days of petrolium power are over... time to start investing in the future.


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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    Funone32: I am 100% behind you and would like to collaborate. I like the way you think. Where are you located? I am also debating getting a local university involved with the funding, etc. for the project, since, in these climate-sensitive times, it would be great PR for them....

    100% electric is the dream right, but you need good batteries... Thats where the technology is lacking. Li-Ion batteries are still WAY too expensive for practical use. Thats the main reason why the tesla costs 100K$USD.

    That is why i purpose a HEV solution. Hybrid Electric Vehicle...

    http://www.penn-partners.org/evteam/attack.htm

    Think about combining:
    (1) The power of a tuned 3.0 turbodiesel running on bio-diesel. (300HP & 450ft.lbs.TQ)
    (2) The power of 200hp electric motor with small amount of high-flow batteries/capacitors.

    A small 200hp 1.9L TDI with a 200hp Electric motor was able to pull sub-4-sec 0-60 and get 50mpg.(from the posted link)

    Why not combine a heavier (more practical and luxurious) car with a stronger turbo diesel motor and a similarly powered electric motor?

    It's win-win-win.

    1. Exotic-car-like acceleration
    2. Increased fuel economy
    3. Significantly reduced emissions (carpool lane sticker possiblity)



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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    Quote Originally Posted by funone32
    Thanks Mr. Ferrari,

    Actually its funny that you bring that thread up... im actually thinking that it would be an interesting project to gut a diablo 6.0 and replace with an electric motor. I cant seem to find any info on the diablo project you had mentioned, is there a specific link i can look at? I mean, i love the sound of a roaring bull, but i think the days of petrolium power are over... time to start investing in the future.
    I have had quotes for Li-Ion Batteries and you can get enough to power your car for about 150 to 200 miles and the cost will be between $10,000 to $18,000 depending on the range you are looking for and the 0 to 60 speed you want... I have been researching this now for over 1 week and have talked to about 20 companies in the US, UK and Canada on the best path to take in regards to a DC motor or a AC motor, Inductors, Controllers, Batteries, Heating as their is two options, Air Cond and other factors .....

    This is my advice and ONLY my advice ... keep away from Fuel Cells and Hybrids... Look in to it more for yourself and read up everything I have posted on the other site.... If you have any questions please feel free to ask.....


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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    Information on the Diablo EV

    Diablo EV

    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/819

    Location West Palm Beach, Florida USA map
    Vehicle 1998 Lamborghini Diablo (replica) An Exotic Electric car with the right stuff. Built by World Class Exotics.
    Motor Netgain 11 Series Wound DC
    Controller Café Electric 2K Zilla
    Batteries 22 other Odyssey 1500, 12.00 Volt, Lead-Acid, Gel Pure lead based each providing 80 amp hours.
    System Voltage 269 Volts
    Charger Manzanita Micro PFC-20 Great charger
    Heater 12v Ceramic...(or hottie)
    Instrumentation VDO brand gauges, E-meter.
    Seating Capacity (2)... but if they want to go bad enough..1 on console
    and 2 in the passenger seat.
    (not for highway use)
    Tires Gotta run meat to come correct
    335/35/17 and 215/40/17
    ...a little extra air
    Conversion Time In completion of Electric conversion.
    Conversion Cost $20,000 +
    Additional Features When you take it out you never know what will go on around this car... but its always something.
    EVs can be driven every day even an exotic like this.



    Cost to convert your car over to a EV

    This is the cost a guy paid to convert his 1982 Honda over from ICE to Electic


    Advanced DC 8" motor
    $1320.00

    Adaptor plate and hub
    650.00

    Motor mount
    137.50

    Curtis-PMC1221B motor controller
    750.00

    Throttle controller
    60.00

    Main contactor
    130.00

    Main circuit breaker
    110.00

    DC/DC Converter
    420.00

    Voltmeter
    48.00

    Ammeter
    48.00

    Onboard battery charger
    550.00

    Charger interlock relay
    15.00

    50 ft 2/0 welding cable
    180.00

    Cable lugs
    144.00

    Shrink tubing
    19.00

    120 volt battery box fan
    20.00

    Wiring diagrams
    20.00

    Vacuum brake system
    205.00

    Heating system
    395.00

    Electric wire and connectors
    170.00

    16 6-volt batteries, US Battery @ $42.00 each
    672.00

    Goodyear Invicta low rolling resistance tires @ $60.00 each
    240.00

    New wheels
    250.00

    New clutch
    63.00

    Air shocks
    65.00

    "Convert It" Manual
    25.00

    Hardware
    300.00

    Battery box plywood
    30.00

    Tools and supplies
    200.00

    Paint and supplies
    120.00

    Angle iron
    40.00

    Welding services
    350.00

    Flywheel resurfacing
    55.00

    Total
    $7926.00

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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    Maybe good to read this also

    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1069

    Vehicle 1979 Porsche 911/959EV quick, fun Porsche with the power to get moving down the road and last a while.
    Motor Warfield
    Drivetrain 5 speed 915 transaxle
    Controller Café Electric Zilla 2000 Amp
    Batteries 15 Hawker 2150, 12.00 Volt, Lead-Acid, AGM
    System Voltage 196 Volts
    Charger Manzanita Micro PFC20
    Heater Ceramic
    Instrumentation Emeter, speedometer,
    Top Speed 120 MPH (193 KPH)
    Range 100 Miles (160 Kilometers)
    at 50 miles an hour pulling 40 Amps.

    Seating Capacity 2 adults + 2 children
    Curb Weight 3,000 Pounds (1,363 Kilograms)
    A little heavier but better front to rear weight distribution and lowered
    center of gravity.
    Tires 17" x 8", 9"
    Conversion Cost $65,000 delivered.

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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    That price for 10,000 or 18,000 is a lot. considering all the other costs for all the other parts. Once battery technology gets to a point where we can significantly increase power storage in smaller packages then we will see a significant rise in EV's, of all types. But that will take time, the oil companies would lose their margins if battery technology progressed too rapidly.....Why do you think they are charging as much as they can get right now? Low Supply? hahaha,. B.S. they banking as much as they can now because they know that they will need money to do R&D on alternative methods to use the oil they soley rely on for their business.

    you are posting ev's listed for sale form Paul's Exotic's now called World Class Exotics.

    I have yet to find someone who actually owns one of these cars, plus, seen any actual video proving any of the EV parts are even in any of the exotics on the website..

    all i see is a lot of information that anyone could compile from reading up on EV's.


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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    Please read ...

    Click on the Video Icon and what White Zombie race!
    http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/

    Honda made into a EV
    http://www.metricmind.com/ac_honda/main2.htm

    WestField Kit car made in to a EV
    http://www.electric7.com/

    Private Honda made in to a EV
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/475.html

    Private Fiero made in to a EV
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1140

    Private 1978 Porsche 928
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/455.html

    Private 1993 Mazda RX-7 made in to a EV
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/260.html

    Private 1995 Subaru Impreza made in to a EV
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/464.html

    Private 1982 Suzuki Sierra SJ40 made in to a EV
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1149

    Private 1989 Solectria Force made in to a EV
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1105

    Private 1994 Chevrolet made in to a EV
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1103

    Here there are 1000's of private made EV's
    http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/


    And if need you can always make what is called a EV Push Trailer
    http://www.jstraubel.com/EVpusher/EVpusher2.htm


    Here some EV's

    Legend Car, 120 volts of Exide XCD orbital batteries, 1200 amp DC Power Systems Raptor controller, 9" Advanced DC motor, sponsored by COCO LOTO.



    Lightening Rod II built in 1995 by Bob Rickard and Roderick Wilde of Wilde Evolutions.




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    Re: Engine swapping for an Electric

    Thank you for posting all the links, it gives people a good idea of what to expect....

    (1) Slow acceleration
    (2) Dramatic weight increase
    (3) Horrible mileage per charge
    (4) High cost of parts for conversion

    Now as i was saying, once Lithium-Ion battery technology becomes more advanced and more prevelant on the market (supply+) then the high prices will drop. This will enable more and more companies to get involved with making EV's because it must come from the grassroots companies. You dont see any of the larger ones doing anything due to the threats from oil companies.

    You mentioned $18,000 for a Lithium Ion battery pack....One of the links you posted has a guy with a honda accord that is asking for donations for a $50,000 Li-Ion Battery pack so he can drive a paltry, yet decent, 100 miles per charge.


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