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    SBV's against Kerry did not serve with him

    I've been seeing alot of anti-Kerry rhetoric around here and thought it was time for the truth.

    Swift Vets Funded By Longtime Texas Bush Contributors

    Fox News: "Many Of Them Are Republicans Who Have Contributed To And Backed Various Bush Campaigns And Causes Over The Decades" "Kerry's military service was an asset during the primaries; critics hoped to transform it into a liability now. The GOP says it's not involved with the veterans criticizing Kerry, but many of them are Republicans who have contributed to and backed various Bush campaigns and causes over the decades." [Fox News, Special Report, Cameron, 5/4/04]

    Dallas Morning News: "Veterans' Group Critical of Kerry Backed by Bush Supporter." Bob Perry, a major supporter of President Bush and the Republican Party, is the biggest financial backer of a veterans group seeking to discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service, according to federal records. Perry, a Houston homebuilder, gave $100,000 to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that has been critical of Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam. That accounted for two-thirds of the organization's receipts to date. [DMN, Slater, 7/23/04]


    Swift Vets Operated By Same People Who Tried to Discredit McCain in 2000

    CBS News: "The Press Conference Was Set Up By The Same People Who Tried To Discredit John McCain's Reputation." "The [May, 2004 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth"] press conference was set up by the same people who tried to discredit John McCain's reputation in Vietnam service when McCain faced George W. Bush for the Republican nomination in 2000. It's the same strategy used to go after Georgia Senator Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam." [CBS Evening News, Pitts, 5/4/04]

    Salon.Com: "Same Vicious Techniques They Used Against McCain" "Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact… In 2000, Spaeth participated in the most subterranean episode of the Republican primary contest when a shadowy group billed as 'Republicans for Clean Air' produced television ads falsely attacking the environmental record of Sen. John McCain in California, New York and Ohio. While the identity of those funding the supposedly 'independent' ads was carefully hidden, reporters soon learned that Republicans for Clean Air was simply Sam Wyly -- a big Bush contributor and beneficiary of Bush administration decisions in Texas -- and his brother, Charles, another Bush "Pioneer" contributor." [Salon.com, Conalson, 5/4/04]


    Swift Vets Hire Private Investigator to Dig Into Kerry's Past

    Dallas Morning News: "P.I. Digs Into Kerry's War Past Group Defends Investigation; Veterans Say Comments Distorted." "Opponents of John Kerry have hired a Dallas-area private investigator to gather information aimed at discrediting his military service, say several veterans who served with the Massachusetts Democrat in Vietnam. Several veterans who have been contacted in recent days accused the private investigator, Tom Rupprath of Rockwall, of twisting their words to produce misleading and inaccurate accounts that call into doubt the medals Mr. Kerry received for his service. 'They're just distorting things,' said Jim Wasser, who served with Mr. Kerry. 'They have nothing to go after John Kerry for, so now they're trying to discredit him'." [DMN, Slater, 7/13/04]

    Salon.com: "How Low Will the Swift Boat Veterans Sink?" A private detective retained by 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth'-- the Texas-based group seeking to discredit John Kerry's military record -- is contacting veterans who may have information about the incidents that led to Kerry's Vietnam decorations. According to a former Kerry crew member, several of the Massachusetts senator's old Navy comrades have refused to talk with the detective, a former FBI agent named Thomas Rupprath -- and some have complained that the detective tried to put damaging words in their mouths. Rupprath's efforts are clearly intended to discredit Kerry's military record, which should surprise nobody familiar with the 'Swift Boat' group. Its leaders are conservative Republicans embittered over Kerry's later antiwar activism." [Salon.com, 7/13/04]

    None of the Speakers in The Ad Served on Either of Kerry's Two SWIFT Boats (PCF44 & PCF94). Absolutely NONE of these men served on John Kerry's SWIFT boats in Vietnam. Some of them were in Vietnam at the same time, some of them did serve on SWIFT boats but none of them were on John Kerry's SWIFT boat.

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    Without assigning guilt or blame... Why doesn't Kerry just release his records and put this thing to bed? I read today that all he needs to do is give his permission and it's done.

    Then he's free of this...

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    He did release them. They are here http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/li...2004/docs.html

    Kerry will never be free of accusations. The Bush campaign is only capable of running on lies and falsehoods, they don't have anything else on to run on.

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    Kerry has not released his complete military file. I think if he is going to make Viet-Nam a campaign issue, he should back up his comments.

    Here is why some of us Viet-Nam Vets dislike this butt head!

    Monday, May 31, 2004 10:53 p.m. EDT
    Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet

    Former Congressman John Leboutillier reports on a Memorial Day confrontation between Sen. John Kerry and a fellow Vietnam veteran:

    Democratic senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.

    Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

    At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.

    Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."

    Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"

    Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.

    Sampley's group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC's "Scarborough Country." Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley's group.

    Clearly Sampley has gotten under Kerry's skin once again.

    "Stolen Valor seems destined to be a milestone in American military history, perhaps in American history itself."

    The men and women of the Vietnam War deserved more than America was willing to give.

    Three decades later, the war, which never left our collective consciousness, still ignites passion among its participants.

    Slowly, the war has come back to haunt us. Legions of homeless Vietnam veterans are in streets, hundreds of thousands of them are suffering from Agent Orange or Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and more of them have died from suicide than died in the war or so the social advocates and the media tell us.

    B.G. Burkett, in over ten years of research in the National Archives, filing hundreds of requests for military documents under the Freedom of Information Act, uncovered a massive distortion of history, a distortion than cost the U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars. Mr. Burkett's work has toppled national political leaders and put criminals in jail.

    The authors show killers who have fooled the most astute prosecutors and gotten away with murder, phony heroes who have become the object of award-winning documentaries on national network television, and liars and fabricators who have flooded major publishing houses with false tales of heroism which have become best-selling biographies.

    Not only do Burkett and Whitley show the price of the myth has become enormous for society, but they spotlight how it has severely denigrated the service, patriotism, and gallantry of the best warriors America ever produced.

    This book has a special section of John Kerry, his Vietnam record and his anti-war activities. The book details Kerry's false claims he threw away his war medals during anti-war protests. Burkett has become one of the most widely quoted experts on Kerry and his Vietnam experience.

    B.G. Burkett, a military researcher, was co-chairman of the Texas Vietnam Memorial with President George Bush as Honorary chairman. Mr. Burkett has been the object of an award-winning segment on ABC's 20/20, as well as much acclaimed articles in Texas Monthly and Reader's Digest. He is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and the University of Tennessee. He served in Vietnam with the 199th Light Infantry Brigade, and was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, Vietnamese Honor Medal, and Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Palm.

    Glenna Whitley, an award-winning investigative reporter, specializes in writing about crime and the legal system. a graduate of Texas A&M University, her work has appeared in the Dallas Morning News, D Magazine, Texas Monthly, and Redbook, as well as numerous other magazines and newspapers. Whitley currently is senior editor at D Magazine in Dallas, where she lives with her husband and two sons.
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    Its pretty obvious that both candidates have "imperfect" records to say the least; the real question is which imperfections are forgiveable.

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    What bothers me most about Kerry is his lack of a stance on just about everything. http://www.kerryoniraq.com/ .

    What bothers me most about Bush is the movement against him. I think its fairly important for a country's leader to have support from the overwhelming majority of his country. As much as we'd all like to ignore it, it is quite an accomplishment for a President to get so many of his own people to hate him. I would have thought Bush's PR machine would do a better job of keeping him looking good in eyes of Americans and the International community.

    But these are just my observations as an outsider.




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    Ari:

    I think that the media has played the largest part in the hate campaign against Bush. You can only get news in favor of Bush from outside the US. The Democrats still think they should of won the last election. They didn't win and should get over it.

    I am not excited about the war in Iraq, but Bush is the very best leader for this effort. I think people have hate for the war, the 9/11 events and blame him for everything. He is the only person who drew a line in the sand to take a stand to fight for the United States. That fight impacts Mexico and Canada as well. I want someone who is willing to fight for the rights we have rather than sit around a table discussing Heinz Ketchup singing choom by ya!

    It is about the terrorists for me. I will never forget 9/11, the mess, the smell, the heart break of being under attack. Thank God it didn't happen to more cities like Chicago, Toronto, LA and so on.

    John F…ing Kerry on Defense -- I hadn't seen this list printed before. It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters. (So... send it to as many voters as you can!)

    He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
    He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
    He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
    He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
    He voted to Kill the F-15 Strike Eagle
    He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
    He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
    He voted to Kill the B-1
    He voted to Kill the B-2
    He voted to Kill the Patriot Anti Missile System
    He voted to Kill the FA-18
    He voted to Kill the B-2
    He voted to Kill the F117

    In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs.

    He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

    But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!!

    Is this the kind of leader and President YOU want?

    Everyone needs to know this stuff. He is anti American.

    The people are either for Bush or against Bush. They don’t seem to be for Kerry.

    Regarding the war records again. We skin up our hands more building kit cars that Kerry had in Viet-Nam non combat related injuries. that is why he will not release the remainder of his military records.

    Just my $.02 worth again.

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    So why the issue with some of these guys being Republicans? Some of them are not. Some of them are indies and some are Democrats. They have the right to be what they are and still speak their minds, yeah?

    I think the idea that there being some Republicans involved and that automatically makes it a Bush Conspiracy is just plain stupid. Thanks to Democrats and Campaign Finance Reform... there's nothing Bush CAN or CAN'T do about them or what they are saying.

    If either party seeks to quiet them, it's not only a violation of the CFR but their 1st amendment right as well.

    Not that anyone is trying to shut down Michael Moore's "film" that is financially backed by known terrorist sympathizers...

    This kind of double standard just supports the Kerry Detractor's claims tht Kerry is out for himself and willing to step on any right, truth or position to get what he wants.

    Let's be honest... there isn't anyone actually FOR Kerry.

    This Candidates are: Bush & NOT Bush. Kerry just fills in the blank.

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    The biggest thing that bothers me about Kerry is... well, everything. But other than that, he and the rest of his Democrat cronies screamed that a man's military record should not be an issue in a campaign when they were trying to keep their boy Clinton in office. All of a sudden now they want to make it an issue... Which is not very smart considering Kerry's own service, or lack thereof.

    And before people start yelling "partisan politics" at me, let me remind everyone that I am a registered Democrat who is totally disgusted with the party, and hasn't seen a decent Presidential candidate from that party since.. well, not in my voting lifetime and I will be 40 this year. I guess I really should change my designation, but I think that little letter by the name is what is wrong with this country. Both parties would destroy the world if they could blame it on the other...

    As in every other election, I choose character... Once again I will be voting Republican because the Democrats don't seem to know the meaning of the word.
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    Songman and DKOV:

    Well stated!

    Now we have to get busy for "W" so he can get us through this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyWheels
    Songman and DKOV:

    Well stated!

    Now we have to get busy for "W" so he can get us through this mess.*

    Regards,

    Dave
    George Bush made this 'mess'. He has had 4 years in office and is now making the same promises he was making the first time he ran for president. He has had 4 years to fulfill his promises and is now asking for 4 more years.

    Who cares what party the SBV's against Kerry come from? The site I linked you to only explained that none of them served with Kerry. Not one witnessed Kerry's leadership. They all are lying about Kerry being unfit, and they are getting paid to do it.

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