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  • P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

    Hi All,

    Love reading all the posts, and I'm glad there is a forum such as this. I have a black 355, on a fiero (non-stretched). Yes, it doesn't look as authentic as a stretched fiero, but here in Northern California I think most people don't really know, or don't really care that it's a little short. I get compliments regardless. And I'm happy with it, so that's what counts, right? (Now in Southern California that would be a very different story, lol).

    Anyway, I've been trying for months to to find a body shop here in California, or even just in the United States, who can do the P38 (1996-2002) Ranger Rover Headlight/Grill Update to the new 2006-2008 look. In this way for example, you could take a $5,000 1997 Range Rover, and convert it to the $50,000 2006 look. Many local body shops "claim" they can do it, but I just don't want my car to get hacked-up if they've never done the conversion before. From a kit car-builder's perspective, it is probably a very easy build. But the kit it not straightforward. It is "not" simply a plug-and-play. The new lights have to be fitted properly, and the new grill has to be cut, as well as some body parts. Basically the new lights and grill were "not" made to fit the old models. So a little kit-car-builder's magic is needed, to help make this look authentic.

    There are several places in the UK who are doing it. But I can't find anyone in California, or in the US?? So any help would be greatly appreciated. Happy building everyone!!!

    Here are the (non-US) companies I've found:

    http://www.rangeover.co.uk/gallery.html
    http://www.simmonites.com/Range%20Ro...port%20P38.htm
    http://www.thorntonbreakers.co.uk/RA...ER%20SHOP.html
    http://www.rangerovers.net/rrupgrade...ghtstomk3.html



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    Re: P38 Range Rover Headlight/Grill Conversion?

    Looks like a pretty cool idea. I didn't see any pricing though.
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    • #3
      Re: P38 Range Rover Headlight/Grill Conversion?

      I'd be interested in this as well if there was something in the US.
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      • #4
        Re: P38 Range Rover Headlight/Grill Conversion?

        If you take a look at this link, you will see that the basic front upgrade uses "stock" headlights and grill from the newer (03-08) Range Rover.

        http://www.rangerovers.net/rrupgrade...ghtstomk3.html

        So obtaining the parts is not an issue in the US. Ebay sells them all the time. In any case, I'm sure many bodyshops would claim they "could" do the conversion. But I'm looking for a shop who has done at least 1-2 conversions of this type. That way I have some confidence it "might" be done well.

        If after a few more months of looking and no luck, I might just take this to my local body shop and keep my fingers crossed that they can do a somewhat decent job... Until then, I'll keep looking.

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        • #5
          Re: P38 Range Rover Headlight/Grill Conversion?

          For those of you trying to purchase the entire body kit, here is a reply I received from Simmonites in the UK.

          Hi , I'm Afraid i don't know anyone in the states who could help. although we do do a mail order kit so if you had a garage that was willing to take the conversion on we could help that way with the fitting instructions we have sent many kits of f all over the world so they have been done by people other than ourselves.
          Hopefully this will help you
          Many Thanks Julie.


          Simmonites and Rangover.co.uk (Both in the UK) will ship the entire kit here to the US if you're willing to purchase it from them:

          http://www.simmonites.com/Range%20Ro...port%20P38.htm
          http://www.rangeover.co.uk

          But again, I'm looking for a shop in the U.S. that can install the Grill and Headlights. Any help would be appreciated!

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          • #6
            Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

            I had thought about a conversion as well. I even had the Rover Sport Vents and 18 inch factory wheels. I changed my mind and sold them. I looking into the front end, but using the LR3 light set-up.

            http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=260212270063

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            • #7
              Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

              The sport vents are a very nice touch. And these look very easy to install. All they have to do is cut out a hole in the fender, and pop them right in. If I do the headlight converions, I will most likely add the sport vents. I think this is easier than trying to replicate those longer vents, which needs the fender to be replaced with the body kit. Too much work for me. Plus the lines don't really match up with the "long" fender vents. So the sport vents help create a more updated look, and are easy to install.

              Check out these P38 sport grills on Ebay (UK). Obviously they are just modified L33 grills, but I wonder how they fit? I actually think this would be a nice upgrade, while keeping the stock P38 lights, and adding clear blinkers.

              http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/sear...itle=p38+grill

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                Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

                <a href="http://tinypic.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i32.tinypic.com/2gul9c2.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a>

                Hopefully this picture helps a little, I would sure love to have on of these if the kit isnt too much.

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                • #9
                  Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

                  It does not make much sense to convert the P38 Range Rover to the MK3 as used MK3s are plenty cheap now and you can get a used P38 for around 5000 and then the kit and parts for around 10K and the labor etc. will make it more expensive than an MK3.

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                  • #10
                    Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

                    Hi, Thanks for the reply. I have two parts to my response. The first one is as follows:

                    I'd like to politely disagree with you on your last point. The cheapest I've seen a newer MK3 is around $24K. The average "lower" priced used Rover is about $28K. So IF you were to do a full conversion on a P38, and if you were to do most of the labor yourself, you could probably have a completed car for about $12K-15K.

                    But yes, as the price goes down for the MK3, the less cost effective the p38 conversion will be. It's like when the JOVI (LeBaron) SL500 kits were around. When they first came out they were fabulous, because 500SLs were worth about 40-50K. But in time, when you were able to find a used 300SL for about $10K, the JOVI kit became pointless. And yes (as you mentioned) the same will be true for this Rover conversion. But I don't think this will happen for at least a few more years, when you'll be able to find an MK3 for about $15K. Until then I think the P38 conversion looks like a fun and innovative project. Isn't that partly what kit-car conversions are about anyway? The fun of getting it done and making it happen...

                    Secondly, I'm not at all leaning toward the full conversion anyway. I agree with you that it would still be expensive to do the full conversion. Therefore I'm basically opting for just the front lights and grill at this point. Even if the labor were to cost me $1,000 for installation, I could get the rover for 5K, lights and parts for about $500. And so that would give me an updated front for just around $7K. Plus add some newer replica wheels, and I'd haver a $8K older vehicle, looking like it was newer and worth a whole lot more. That's the fun of it I believe.

                    So basically I want to find someone in California (or anywhere within the US), that can install the lights a Grill, without it looking like I took a hacksaw and did it in my garage. Because if I did, boy it would not look good!! HAHAHHAHA

                    Thanks for all the replies everyone. Keep 'em coming.

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                    • #11
                      Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

                      Originally posted by jdub0022
                      Hi, Thanks for the reply. I have two parts to my response. The first one is as follows:

                      I'd like to politely disagree with you on your last point. The cheapest I've seen a newer MK3 is around $24K. The average "lower" priced used Rover is about $28K. So IF you were to do a full conversion on a P38, and if you were to do most of the labor yourself, you could probably have a completed car for about $12K-15K.

                      But yes, as the price goes down for the MK3, the less cost effective the p38 conversion will be. It's like when the JOVI (LeBaron) SL500 kits were around. When they first came out they were fabulous, because 500SLs were worth about 40-50K. But in time, when you were able to find a used 300SL for about $10K, the JOVI kit became pointless. And yes (as you mentioned) the same will be true for this Rover conversion. But I don't think this will happen for at least a few more years, when you'll be able to find an MK3 for about $15K. Until then I think the P38 conversion looks like a fun and innovative project. Isn't that partly what kit-car conversions are about anyway? The fun of getting it done and making it happen...

                      Secondly, I'm not at all leaning toward the full conversion anyway. I agree with you that it would still be expensive to do the full conversion. Therefore I'm basically opting for just the front lights and grill at this point. Even if the labor were to cost me $1,000 for installation, I could get the rover for 5K, lights and parts for about $500. And so that would give me an updated front for just around $7K. Plus add some newer replica wheels, and I'd haver a $8K older vehicle, looking like it was newer and worth a whole lot more. That's the fun of it I believe.

                      So basically I want to find someone in California (or anywhere within the US), that can install the lights a Grill, without it looking like I took a hacksaw and did it in my garage. Because if I did, boy it would not look good!! HAHAHHAHA

                      Thanks for all the replies everyone. Keep 'em coming.

                      No Worries, good to hear your point of view.
                      There was a Black Range Rover in good condition which sold in an auction in NJ for 18K, no catch, no salvages. Like I said, if you hunt for deals, you shall find them.

                      Now, to do a conversion for the P38, you might want to talk to the guys at rangeover.co.uk as they were telling me about some US sales plans the last time I talked to them.

                      BUTTT - Gas is almost $4 a gallon and the Old Rangie drinks more than a British Bloke, even more so than the newer MK3 one !

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                      • #12
                        Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

                        One concern is I have read some reports on poor reliability of those RR. Anyone have input on that?
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                        • #13
                          Re: P38 Range Rover (96/99 to 2008) Headlight/Grill Conversion?

                          Originally posted by funexec
                          One concern is I have read some reports on poor reliability of those RR. Anyone have input on that?
                          You are 1005%correct. The reliabilty on these things are a big issue. Many things can and do go wrong with these cars when they get older. From little things like switches and sensors, to big things like the Air Suspension, which MANY older range rovers experience. When this happens they usually convert them to coil suspensions. So IF anyone were to partake in this conversion, they have to get ready for some mechanical issues.

                          Personally, I am building this as a weekend car. With the price of gas these days there's no way I could make this a daily driver!!

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