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  • Camaro - Aventador build journal/tech discussion

    Now that it's been made clear that I mean business about this build and am in to the "hands-on" phase, I want to set up a master topic for updates and tech discussion on the project. In other words, for picking your brains about how to deal with the various obstacles along the way, get product suggestions and update you on progress.

  • #2
    Will start with a couple questions and product info request.

    Taking this car apart has so far proven allot easier then I expected, except for one thing.

    I'm trying to preserve the wiring. For one, the parts of the car that were not hit in the accident are in excellent condition and there are some I want to sell to help pay for the build, some I want to keep as replacement parts, and others (like the doors) that are coming right off of this one and going on the working car. Needless to say, I want to keep the electrical intact. Working with wiring is something I am not new to nor is the sort of work I am doing with this car (reminds me of building plastic model kits as a child) but I am having some issues figuring out where the wiring goes and how to reach the ends without damaging it.

    ATM, there are 4 parts of the car I am trying to remove. The rear window/trunk lid, the roof and the two doors.

    The rear lid is priority No.1 because it is not only valuable in the market but It's the first part of the car body I wish to replace. The only reason I wanna get the roof off is because it appears that it'll make getting the electrical off easier. Doors need to come back to my house for modification obviously.

    So I am just looking for info and suggestions on getting the wiring out or getting it disconnected without damaging it.

    Finally, not an immediate concern, but I've concluded that the suspension needs to be lowered 3 inches. Anyone have any suggestions of a good suspension spring kit that will get those results?

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    • #3
      For the doors there is a rubber conduit in the door shut, pull it out and there is usualy a plug right inside the A-pillar, you can also get to it by removing the inside panel behind the A-pillar. Failing that take the door trim off and look in there. Boot lid is much the same, usualy there is a plug under the parcel shelf if not then unplug the high stop and numberplate lights inside the boot and pull the loom out. As for suspension you might want to consider coilovers, if not then you may need to shorten your shocks to maintain captivity of the spring. 2" is usualy the most you can get with just a spring swap. keep in mind you will need a new wheel alignment and maybe camber correction kit especialy with a 3" drop.

      Keep in mind I'm not familiar with your car. Did I understand your quesions right?
      Anyway hope that helps
      Justin

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      • #4
        good luck, nothing cheap about this car don't know how you're gonna budget it

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        • #5
          I dont think there's a connector by the doors. You'll have to remove the inner door panel, unhook the window and lock motors, light on the window buttons, and the speaker.

          I don't think there's a connector to easily diable the rear hatch either. At least, I never found it. I took the trim off unhooked the wiring, and left it on the chassis.

          I'll say it again - I don't think you should modify the door mechanics at all. Your have your work cut out for you on this as it is. I'd leave the doors intact for now and just do the mods to make it look aventador. Part 2 should be worrying about lamborghini doors, IF there's still fuel in the tank after you've got it looking the way you want it.

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          • #6
            Thanks, I'll see if that advice helps.

            I've been researching coilovers. I really like the idea but anything more then the base type is useless and they only make the highest end versions for the Camaro. Given what my goal is, I may have no choice but to settle with a spring lowering kit for now and save up for one of the high-end kits.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RHK View Post
              I dont think there's a connector by the doors. You'll have to remove the inner door panel, unhook the window and lock motors, light on the window buttons, and the speaker.

              I don't think there's a connector to easily diable the rear hatch either. At least, I never found it. I took the trim off unhooked the wiring, and left it on the chassis.

              I'll say it again - I don't think you should modify the door mechanics at all. Your have your work cut out for you on this as it is. I'd leave the doors intact for now and just do the mods to make it look aventador. Part 2 should be worrying about lamborghini doors, IF there's still fuel in the tank after you've got it looking the way you want it.
              You can't make an Aventador look-alike without modifying the doors. You leave no room for some of the most pronounced characteristics of the car, namely the vent.

              I know the doors are going to be tough. I stated before that I am expecting them to take up 1/3 of the entire body portion of the project. If need be, I can and will rewire the electronics. I am just looking for a more simple solution.

              It DOES look like rewiring is inevitable though. Not because of the accessibility of the wires, but because it looks like they'll be too short for scissor door function. I hope I'm wrong.

              Rewiring would make my own life easier as I could then just go clip it, get to work and rewire it after everything else is done but there are a few other people who have asked me about making duplicate shells for them. I'd like to keep it simple for their sake should that happen. Same for the rear lid. It would be long removed by now if it weren't for trying to preserve the wiring.
              Last edited by ronin; 10-15-2012, 12:17 PM.

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              • #8
                I put "lambo" doors on a couple Camaros about 8 or 10 years ago. The wiring isn't long enough in the doors. What I did, was cut, add length to, and solder each wire going into the door, one by one. Do not cut them all then chase them. Too much room for error IMHO. Especially if you arent versed in wiring. One of the difficult things was the fact that the doors shell and skin are all SMC, so I couldn't weld to them. I made a flat plate to weld the body side of the hinge on, and of course I had to section a peice of the substructure of the body out so that I could put it there. But on the door side, I had to make a metal plate that sandwhiched the door shell and keep it stable, but not make it too heavy for struts to lift safely. Also, of course the door had to pull out enough to clear the weatherstrip, and then go up.
                As far as taking off the roof, I'm kinda lost. The roof is bonded to the car. It doesn't come off without ruining it.

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                • #9
                  That's actually very useful info. I really appreciate it.

                  What you are saying about the roof seams consistent with my experience. I figured there was some hidden detaching method. I guess I was wrong. No biggie though. As long as it doesn't endanger the structural integrity of the vehicle, I don't mind cutting it out.

                  Your description of the door is pretty close to what I had in mind. I have to raise the bottom and slant the back inward. Otherwise there's no room for 2 of the 3 vents. I am probably going to use the stock windshield and door windows but there's some obvious need to rearrange the displacement of them. Slanting the windshield forward a few inches is more then aesthetic. There's a mechanical calling for it as well, directly related to getting the scissor doors working correctly. I am not going to make the doors go out then up. That defeats the purpose. They're just going to go up at an angle, much like on the real Aventador. I have an old treadmill frame I should be able to make the scissor door components out of. I'll have to redo the rubber trim to make it work right. I am not expecting them to be easy. On the contrary, I am expecting them to be the single hardest part of the entire project.

                  I WAS thinking about the wiring allot since my last post and I think I've been being stupid to worry about it. Anyone who wants to build a kit car based on that shell is going to have far greater obstacles I can do nothing to help them with and they'll have to replace it anyway.

                  BTW. What is SMC?
                  Last edited by ronin; 10-15-2012, 05:31 PM.

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                  • #10
                    i dont think mounting a hinge on an angle is going to operate the door correctly, im almost 100 percent certain. Also what purpose is defeated if you use aftermarket lambo hinges? they only open out enough to clear the door well then up vertically, where as the real one opens out and up at the same time. whats wrong? scared to open your door out 12 inches?

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                    • #11
                      Sheet molded compound , aka plastic doors

                      I really think you need to use lambo door kit that opens out a bit, then up. A true scissor door isn't going to work if using the stock camaro doors. The only way to do a true scissor door is remove the camaro door completely and build a custom door like the murci kits use.

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                      • #12
                        Really? You are considering using the Camaro/Firebird doors to build this car. Are you serious?
                        I thought you were going to cut them out and use an Aventador style door instead. The stock GM doors are about 6" too far inboard aren't they?
                        BTW, I think you should cut all the wiring out of the car and start over. Nothing is going to work properly for you.
                        It is really not a big deal and quite easy once you know some of the basics. I had four 16 year old girls make the wire harness for my yellow Diablo in my classroom. It took them three days to map it out, label it and make it.
                        You see, making it yourself solves the problem of....'what does this wire do'?
                        Just throwing it out there....

                        Think about this...if you were going to build a Diablo, would you use Fiero doors?
                        Think about this...if you were going to build a Murcielago, would you use Fiero or MR2 doors?

                        Jim
                        http://jimdinner.wordpress.com/

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                        • #13
                          The whole point of adding scissor doors is to deal with the problem with tight parking. Aventador doors open out 12 inches I think but not until after they've cleared the body area. Even then, I want to keep mine more shallow. I don't want something that USUALLY makes tight parking a non-factor. I want something that fixes it indefinitely, at least on my end.

                          Classic scissor doors on this platform have been done before. I myself have found some pretty easy ways to make the function it's self work. Fitting everything around them is the big hassle. That and a few of my own features I am not sure the real Aventador comes with such as a remote control door opener, security features etc.

                          One way I MAY simplify it is to first reshape the doors, make the scissor door feature work and THEN make the body mods on the car to fit around the scissor doors. In other words, adapt the stuff that doesn't move to fit the stuff that does. Won't know for sure until we get there though.

                          Right now, the scissor doors and body are literally going as two separate projects. Meaning, the doors are coming back to my house (probably tomorrow) to be worked on with all my mechanical stuff at home after hours while the body work takes place at the yard during the day.

                          Unfortunately, I still need to make a living and have two different blade contracts under way right now. I am doing my best to keep them going after dark but I will definitely be loosing allot of daylight to one of them this week.

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                          • #14
                            Tight parking? Really guy! You are going to argue tight parking? That's rediculous. After all the money and time spent on this custom whatever it is, you are worried about tight parking? You should not! You park at the furthest spot at the parking lot!

                            yea I see exotics and super cars all the time in tight spots at Walmart! Serious!?!?!????

                            You think cutting off the roof is NOT GOING TO HAMPER STRUCTUAL INTEGRITY? That's the backbone of every car!

                            I can't, this is too much blood pressure for me.
                            Last edited by onewickedsvt; 10-15-2012, 11:05 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fauxrrari View Post
                              Sheet molded compound , aka plastic doors

                              I really think you need to use lambo door kit that opens out a bit, then up. A true scissor door isn't going to work if using the stock camaro doors. The only way to do a true scissor door is remove the camaro door completely and build a custom door like the murci kits use.
                              Having owned Camaro's and Firebirds my whole life I can tell you that in order for that to happen yes you would have to rehinge the doors but you'd also need some type of automated system that everytime you go to open the car up the window glass would roll down slightly by an inch like some real exotics do, the Zonda Roadster and Diablo roadster.

                              But then again Camaro windows are junk. I would highly suggest getting an aftermarket window fix kit if you plan on reusing everything inside the door frame involving the windows, the window motors die out after a few months of using them.

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